What is the significance of the agricultural revolution in the eyes of ishmael

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Rarara Sisbumba. Siva Ma. Himanshu Waster. Dilshad Ali. Through their discussions, the Guy understands that Ishmael is worried about the fate of the Earth and begins to share this fear. He initially thinks that the Agricultural Revolution was an incidental leap forward brought on by advances in technology, but Ishmael shows him the underlying conceptions in the evolution of Takers.

The narrator realizes that the object of Taker culture is to exempt them from the laws of god or nature that govern everything else. In a later conversation we get a dose of Biology in the realization that we are just one step on the tree of life and that other life forms will inevitably outsmart us literally by evolving into even more complex creatures.

The Guy is encouraged by this and they decide that he must became a teacher and Spread Da Word. This is supposedly his final lesson with Ishmael. According to Ishmael, the Leaver life is actually pretty swanky and not too dangerous or anything. He and Dummkopf perform some little forensics act to teach what the point of agriculture is in the first place.

Agriculture allows humans to secure their life in their own greasy, little banana-hands so they can die via playing Russian roulette with a pistol rather than by the occasional drought. I have complete faith in him given his pompous attitude. If anyone else wants to join, shoot me a PM.

We can come up with some badass name for our clan and maybe order some matching uniforms. Ishmael asks that the narrator understands why he is telling his story and its real purpose.

They speak about how the man believes that the evolution into agriculture of the Takers was just another section of history. Ishmael disagrees and says that the Agricultural Revolution made living conditions better and that mother culture describes it to be positively life changing and that nobody could ever go back to living the way they did before it. The man finds it difficult to understand what Ishmael says about the Leavers so they act it out as a Taker and a Leaver.

Ishmael convinces the man that the taker way of life is the better way of living while the man finally says that it was to help mankind become independent on gods. The man is then able to come to the conclusion that Takers have freed themselves from the laws that all living things follow, allowing them to do whatever they want, meanwhile the leavers still follow these rules.

The next chapter continues when the man asks the owner of the circus if he can buy Ishmael from the circus and he does not agree to this. They talk more about the Takers and Leavers and the man wants to know the real reason about how they evolved differently. They think that the world belongs to them. He then discusses with the man that his past students each gave up their learning because they had no belief that what they were learning could change the world.

The man is still hopeful at this moment and says that he will continue to spread the knowledge as a teacher. It is constantly repeated and seems as if the entire story is based on evolution. There is some talk of the environment.

These two chapters were pretty boring; it seems now that everything that is said is just being repeated from the beginning. I am hopeful to see how the man will go about teaching this knowledge. The main focus of chapter 11 is for Ishmael to ensure that the guy knows exactly why he is piecing together this story.

They continue to talk about the evolution of agriculture and Ishmael believes that when this event happened it actually hurt mankind. In order to explain this further to the guy he says that he is a leaver and the guy is a taker and the guy must convince Ishmael to adopt his way of life. After a while the guy says that if Ishmael adopts his way of life than he will be free from the Gods.

The guy then realizes that humanity wants to be free from the control of the Gods and they don't feel like they should be in the same realm. In chapter 12 they are at the carnival again, but the guy tries to buy Ishmael from the owner, but isn't able to.

So then in the dark they continue their story. The leavers believe that they were destined to be the final product of evolution and they were the pinnacle of evolution.

In their minds they are superior. Ishmael then says humans should see themselves as role models for the others because in terms of evolution because other species will increase their complexity replace humankind.

The guy then says this should be inspiration for humanity to improve themselves. Ishmael is impressed because this is where all of his past pupils have given up because such a large scale change starting with one person seems nearly impossible. Concerning biology, throughout the book and in these chapters there was a large focus on evolution, but that was the only major thing I found.

At this point, I think the philosophy in the book is great and it really has pointed out some amazing things. However, it is getting repetitive and I'm just picking out the major ideas.

It is still interesting though when he unveils another major flaw in humanity. Griffin Wyckoff, Period 7 The chapter starts off with the man and Ishmael acting out the story of the takers and leavers. Ishmael realizes that the man is worried about the inevitable destruction of the earth and humans.

They do not want to obey the rules that they must live by. He then asks the carnival owner if he would like to sell him Ishmael. After that he returns to find Ishmael sleeping and they go on to talk about the takers and the leavers. They then talk about how man was put on earth to be a model and to benefit others to evolve.

Before he leaves, Ishmael reminds him to break free from captivity one last time. Again the only biology in these chapters is evolution and other common topics.

I can tell that there is going to be a twist ending, Ishmael and the man have been talking for a while on several topics. Ishmael is going to die and the man is going to be the only teacher left. Alexis period 7 In chapters 11 and 12, Ishmael and the man make a lot of progress. On the other hand, people who live in the hands of the gods are capable of evolution. The next point I thought was really cool.

Humans really are achieving their goal of stopping creation with the creation of man because they have taken themselves out of the hands of the gods and therefore out of the cycle of evolution.

Furthermore, Ishmael compares the human lifestyle to a prison and says that in prisons they have programs and activities to keep the inmates busy, and the human parallel to this is destroying the world.

In other words, we are destroying the world to keep ourselves busy and pass the time. Lastly, it can be said that takers think the Earth belongs to man while Leavers think that man belongs to Earth.

Ishmael says he is finished with his student but he is offended and says he will come back tomorrow. Kunal Sengupta, Period 7 Ishmael and the narrator begin talking again. The gorilla challenges the narrator to think of why wants the Leaver culture to take precedence over the Takers culture.

It was much more than a technological revolution says Ishmael. It created an unfair world. The narrator wants to buy Ishmael so he asks the owner of the carnival if he could buy him. Ishmael then continues talking to the narrator. The book is getting quite repetitive but it enforces the key concepts that everyone should understand. Betsy Ellison, Period 1 A lot seems to have changed in the dynamic between Ishmael and the narrator.

The narraotr is no longer afraid or intimidated by him, for one thing, and wakes up a reluctant Ishmael from his sleep. Ishmael poses a question-- how did man become man?

The narrator reveals his perspective on Leaver culture-- he sees it as a constant, ceaseless, terrifying struggle, always on edge between life and death. Ishmael explains that this could not be further from the truth. They determine two new names for the Leavers and Takers: those who live in the hands of the Gods, and those who know the difference between good and evil. If you remove yourself from the hands of the gods, as the Takers did, you stop the cycle of natural selection-- thus, humans achieved their goal of ending evolution with the evolution of man.

However, this will almost certainly end in disaster. The narrator returns to the question of the Garden of Eden, how once mankind decided to take on a godlike role, they became shunned from the evolutionary cycle. The narrator struggles to find a way to express how he wants to inspire people to create a change, to stop themselves from being wiped out and leaving a bad legacy behind, instead leaving a good one. But how? Ishmael recommends he write a book.

Ishmael then compares the human story to a prison, keeping the Takers busy but imprisoning them within a destructive culture. Finally, Ishmael tells the narrator he is done with his lessons forever, but the narrator does not accept this. As with previous chapters, Ishmael and the narrator discuss evolution and anthropology. I'm starting to like a book a little better. Quinn is breaking his irritating habit of having the narrator be the dunce to Ishmael's wisdom, and the two actually have some interesting discussions.

While it's still not my favorite book, it's definitely getting better as it goes along. Chapter 11 begins with the destruction of the world and how the narrator is afraid for it. The narrator talks about pre-Agricultural Revolution and he realized that the Taker culture still believes that it was a horrible way to live. Then, they play a simulation in which Ishmael represents the Leaver culture and the narrator represents the Taker culture, and the narrator has to try and convince Ishmael to adopt the Taker lifestyle.

In the end, the narrator comes to the conclusion that the point of the Taker culture is to take matters into their own hands instead of leaving it up to fate for the availability of their food supplying other necessities.

Chapter 12 starts off with Ishmael trying to buy Ishmael and free him from his cage. When that temporarily fails, the lesson takes off from the previous day. The narrator sees that the Taker culture thinks that they are the end to evolution. Ishmael suggests that humankind should not see itself as the ruler of the world. They wrap up by the narrator asking Ishmael what world change would look like, and Ishmael responds with the idea that civilization is not the problem, but the attitude humankind has towards it is.

Ishmael tells the narrator that he must become a teacher because people must be informed before any real change can happen. Evolution and the environment is the reoccurring theme of biology in these last chapters, as well as the rest of them. Again, Ishmael hates on humankind way too much. First of all, he says that humans think that they are the last things to evolve, which is definitely not true.

We know that everyone will continue to evolve, including us, and there is a good possibility that something more advanced than us will evolve in the future.

Secondly, humans are still relying on fate for most of their lives, and the availability of food is a huge problem for humans as well, so it is not like there is an abundance of food for every human on earth.

Ishmael is ignorant and I can't take him anymore. Sam, Period 7 At the beginning of chapter 11, the man arrives at the office wanting to learn more about the leavers and their history.

To begin the story, Ishmael talks about the agricultural revolution. Ishmael then asks the narrator to try and persuade him to join his way of life as a taker, but they eventually come to the conclusion that the reason why Ishmael should become a taker is so that humans aren't the only species at the mercy of the gods.

This is because humans have disobeyed the laws of nature, which every other species abides by. They then continue the previous discussion they were having and they focus on the differences between the takers and leavers, which is the leavers undergo evolution and takers do not.

The man then becomes a teacher. The biology in chapters 11 and 12 included evolution and the destruction of the environment. In the anecdote, Ishmael creates a hypothetical situation in which a poor, ill-educated person, with no hopes of an improved future, is given a magic box with a button on it. If he pushes the button, he'll be whisked back in time to a thriving hunter-gatherer society, equipped with complete knowledge of the tribe's culture and language.

When confronted with this hypothetical situation, the narrator says the hypothetical man, or any person in Taker society for that matter, would reject the offer because Mother Culture has taught him that such a lifestyle is intrinsically worse than anything Taker culture has to offer.

Through the use of this anecdote, Ishmael helps the narrator see his own prejudices. Ishmael also uses role-playing to help the narrator understand the points he's trying to make. During the role-play, Ishmael acts like a person from a Leaver culture and the narrator acts like a person from Taker culture who is trying to convince the Leaver to give up his way of life. Through their interaction, Quinn not only explicates more of the nuances of the philosophy he explores in the novel, but also adds complexity to Ishmael and the narrator's teacher-student relationship.

Recall that, for the most part, Ishmael's teaching techniques have been to ask the narrator questions and tell him stories to help him understand the ideas he's trying to present. Abel is a herder. Cain kills Abel for the sole purpose of gaining more territory. They are always taking more than they really need. This is the cause of the Taker population growing exponentially. After a brief brake, the man finds that Ishmael had been evicted. For a place to stay, he is forced to join the traveling circus and become to depressed about this change that he does not want to continue teaching the man, at least for a time.

But the man convinces Ishmael to continue. Ishmael continues his lessons with what Leavers and Takers think are their culture. This chapter continues to include the theory of evolution, this time from different perspectives.

Additionally, it mentions how the Taker population is growing exponentially. My issues with the book are that A I took issue with some of the points last chapter, which make me question the points that it continues to make, and B it is getting repetitive and drawn-out and C no real plan to change the world has been introduced, even just an introduction.

That being said, it is worth it to read what Ishmael has to say. This chapter begins with Ishmael on the other side of the glass, giving another lesson. He talks about the agricultural revolution and how it is still evolving and changing. He relates this to the taker culture. The next topic is the Gods and how they knew what to do when ruling the world.

He says some knowledge was gained by eating a fruit, which is why the Gods were scared when Adam came to Earth because if he ate the fruit he could be as powerful as the gods. As a result, the gods banned humans from eating the fruit. This story symbolizes that the Takers kill the Leavers that is shown when Cain kills Abel. The result of the Takers doing so was a punishment of agriculture. From one point of view, Cain and Abel are more symbols than anything else. In chapter 10, the man decides to skip his meeting with Ishmael and when he returns, Ishmael is no longer in his usual spot.

Eventually, he finds Ishmael at a show but they cant carry out their conversation normally there, so they meet again in private to return to their lessons. The new lesson is on culture. Ishmael asks the man to define the word culture and he comes up with things that are passed on from one generation to the next. This answer pleases Ishmael and he brings the Takers and Leavers back in.

Only small references to biology, such as evolution, but overall not much. There is of course the theme of saving the environment. In a normal book, the reader would infer the lessons based off of the plot and the characters actions. The book would be more exciting if got its point across in a more indirect way.

This reminds me of ishmael: rustledjimmies. Chapter ten begins with the narrator entering Ishmael's office, to find him outside of his cage. This could mean he is becoming more comfortable with the narrator. The narrator and him launch quickly into a discussion about Adam and Eve-- or, really just Adam. Ishmael explains how the Takers splits from the Leavers 8, years ago, and the agricultural revolution is still going on.

Ishmael and the narrator come to the conclusion that since Adam ate from the tree of knowledge, he took the Gods' knowledge of what is to live and what is to die and sacrilegiously used it for himself, killing off all his competition for food Ishmael claims that why eating from the tree of knowledge was a sin is unknown to all biblical scholars, but this just isn't true-- any biblical scholar would be able to tell you this and more.

Ishmael and the narrator also decide that Adam is a good protagonist, because he represents mankind, and thus everyone can relate to him I find the lack of any real real mention of Eve frustrating. In chapter 10, tragedy strikes. A series of unfortunate events leads to the narrator missing his appointments for several weeks, which in turn leads to his being sold off to a carnival. The narrator hunts him down, and in the process, learns that Rachel Solowicz is dead.

He finally meets Ishmael at the carnival, and Ishmael reluctantly allows him to buy his freedom. They then continue the lesson, with a conversation about culture. Culture is the sum of what has been passed down through generations-- beliefs, assumptions, rituals, etc. Human culture began with homo habilis, and was passed down all the way to homo sapiens sapiens our species of human.

The Takers then broke from this culture, which other Leaver cultures did not-- for example, tribes in Polynesia. Ishmael connects this to how Takers base their culture off of laws and and prophets, without nature to guide them. There is the usual connection to Biology in these chapters-- somewhat weak, but still present, with the study of anthropology as the major link. I started Chapter 9 expecting to be as bitter and bored as I had been with other chapters, but I found Chapter 10 surprisingly engaging.

There is character development for the narrator, when he prioritizes himself over Ishmael and ends up nearly losing him, and for Ishmael himself, who finds himself back in a menagerie and is unwilling to leave-- perhaps because he knows that at least there, he'll be only an animal, indebted to no one.

I appreciated the additional action and conversation. Chris Period 7 I'm getting tired of reading about this authors trip on hallucinogenics. Now the narrator walks in to Ishmael expecting Mr. Narrator to draw him like one of his french girls. The narrator also finds out that Ishmael owns like every bible, which is stupid because Ishmael just trashes every story he hears. How self-centered do you have to be to buy books just to go "Nope.

You're wrong : " We also learned the Christianity killed the Leavers, and that the Leavers were too lazy to understand that farming helps people. And people are bad because we want to have children, which totally isn't an evolutionary characteristic designed to prolong the human race at all.

If Ishmael is so one with the world, why does he hate human instinct? But don't worry, I guess Ishmael forgot to pay rent so now he's been evicted how the landlord got a gorilla out of a confined area I don't know. Then I guess those Carnival Anonymous meetings never paid off, because he relapsed and is back in the circus.

The narrator bribes the worker to talk to the Ishmael don't know how the worker didn't call the police for a mentally unstable man trying to talk to a gorilla who tells him that evolution is bad and we shouldn't learn anything.

Guess I shouldn't go to school then. I assume the narrator is still a living organism and not in some comatose style dream, so I guess that has to do with bio. This book is boring and offensive. Not the religious part, I couldn't care less about that. It's offensive how stupid the plot is. I'm done with this gorilla who can telepathically communicate and knows all there is about man but can't figure out how to pay rent, or how to avoid the circus.

I mean seriously, gorillas weigh pounds. If anything, the landlord who got Ishmael out should be in the circus. Sam, Period 7 Chapter 9 begins with the narrator arriving at the office to find Ishmael lounging on a cushion rather than behind the glass, which is where he usually is. Ishmael then discusses the history of humans and tells a story of how gods controlled the world and that when humans arrived, they decided to stay away from the tree of knowledge.

The Gods believed that the humans would take over all the other animals on the Earth, and the leavers realized this, however the takers did not. Ishmael then tells the narrator about Cain, who represents the takers, and Abel, who represents the leavers.

The following day the narrator returns to the office and discovers Ishmael has been evicted and has to join the traveling circus in order to survive. This results in Ishmael not wanting to teach the narrator for a short time, however the narrator convinces Ishmael to continue the discussion. They then continue discussing the takers and leavers.

Throughout these two chapters, not much biology was mentioned, however evolution is touched upon. I have slowly lost interest in the novel as we have gone on because it does not enlighten me as I have previously been. Everything is a metaphor for something else and they have slowly lost me with the incorporations of the fables to supplement history and human nature.

Katie Kusmin, Period 7 In chapter nine the narrator finds Ishamel sitting on the same side of the room as him, and they are no longer separated by a sheet of glass. Ishmael shows him a timeline of human history with the Agricultural Revolution marked, and draws a ray from it demonstrating the conception and evolution of Taker culture, making it clear that it is not one discrete event "like the Trojan war" , but an ongoing process of colonization.

Then, Ishmael tells biblical stories that illustrate the creation of Taker culture and how they overtook the Leavers. In chapter 10 the guy plays hooky and when he returns for his lesson his gorilla teacher is gone!

He finds that Ishmael has joined a traveling circus, as teachers are wont to do, and no longer wants to continue with their lessons for a while. They resume soon after the man convinces Ishmael to talk to him, and the saga continues. Evolution is the primary "biology" thing here, and Ishmael makes reference to keystone and invasive species with his tale of the Ravenous Locusts. I like this book, and I don't want to repeat everything I've been saying in this section of all my other comment posts, but I find it interesting.

Eye-sah, Period 1 I'm tired. This is going to be sketch. King Godrilla has made his move. King Godrilla returns to his normal state of things, which is taking an absurd amount of time to explain a concept to a guy who clearly "forgot to take his brainy pills this morning". The real life is a thing! I feel like I've been living in a cave for years and I finally see the sun for the first time! Well, Wido has to deal with the age old problem of having to host guests, and meanwhile the city officials have finally asked themselves "how is a gorilla capable of paying rent when he clearly has no occupation and, oh I dunno, he's a GORILLA!?

In response, they kicked King Godrilla out of his apartment and into the arms of a traveling circus. Even though KG is literally in a cage, they just continue their lesson as though nothing is wrong.

Thankfully, however, KG finally gets to his main point: Y'all humans best step up cuz y'all ain't special. As for Biology, they surprise surprise talk about evolution as well as things such as predator prey relationships and food chains. Oh, and the Taker population is showcasing exponential growth. And Wido is freaked out by the fact that King Godrilla has escaped his cage, which I think is the proper biological reaction to such a situation. I think i've figured out my problem with the book. It's far too repetitive!

Honestly, half of this book could be cut out and I'd still get the message. I don't need 50, different extended metaphors to figure out something that, in the end, isn't that complicated eg. Humans aint God, Fix dat environment son, Check yo self before you wreck yo self, etc.

It amused me that a gorilla is better at art than I am. And by "amused" I mean it sent me into a never-ending pit of despair, darkness, and critical self reflection. That's about all I have to say. This Gorilla escaped from his cage and is now living life like a video. Where the sun is always out and the musics always good. They talk about religion and such so yah know its kinda boring.

This gorilla moves into an apartment and pays his rent like a boss. I'm really not so good with this book. Matt, Period 1 Ishmael is found surprisingly outside of his glass-box thing. I was really expecting something to happen because of this, like Ishmael taking the man on a journey outside of the building, but nothing does. He creates a scenario where gods are deciding which species should have the most guidance, so they consume fruit from the tree of knowledge to help make the decision.

He talks about the story of Abel and Cain. I personally thought it was cool how he used that story as a metaphor for the Takers and the non-takers. After this, Ishmael disappears! After missing several lessons, the man returns to find out that he had been evicted. After tracking him down, Ishmael is annoyed at the man for budding into his personal life.

So he bribes a guard to let him have some alone time with Ishmael. He is cool now because the narrator stopped trying to help him. I guess. They summarize what they have covered so far, and talk about extinction of knowledge. Biology in this chapter: Evolution Predation Gorilla This part is sad. In an attempt to move the plot forward and create suspense, Ishmael the pound gorilla is mysteriously kidnapped and held hostage in a cage. Like, what? It doesn't change the story at all. The man still has his talks with Ishmael, so why would the author do this in the first place?

The ideas were cooler this time around though. The author really should've focused on what the book should have actually been about takers and that stuff rather than fabricate a story about the psychic gorilla. If you are going to give a gorilla paranormal powers, at least go all the way. Telekinesis, precognition, aura-reading, literally anything else than telepathy. I am waiting for some wild curveball to be thrown, but I'm left with straight pitches over and over again. Patience Period 7 So the gorilla is now on the other side of the glass.

Then the gorilla gets arrested for being a gorilla.